Yves here. While the exhortation to have all doctors receive some nutrition training sounds all well and good, perhaps the advocates should take a look at what passes for nutrition science and get back to me. There is painfully little in the way of good underpinnings due to the dearth of solid studies. It takes very long-duration efforts with frequent and accurate reporting. The ones that are the most solid have nurses as the sample group. Most people lie about what they eat and how much they eat.

A related issue is that what I have seen from my limited contact with those who have degrees in nutrition is enough to make one be leery. Look at the food provided by most hospitals. Those menus are created by dietitians. My mother was fed things that I would have refused to eat, like turkey on white bread, pasta with red sauce, canned sweetened fruit and breakfast cereal (and I don’t mean oatmeal).

One of my sisters in law got a Master’s degree in nutrition science. Perhaps things have changed since then, but she said there were two types of programs, one for people who intended to go work for one of the major food companies and figure out how to make better fast food and junk food, and the other focused on health outcomes. The problem with the latter is I have no idea what she learned. For instance, she got pregnant after she finished her degree. Her doctor told her she needed to eat more protein. She told me she started eating cheese daily to do that.

Cheese is a very inefficient way to get protein. An ounce of hard cheese (and she was eating hard cheeses) is 54 calories of fat v. 32 from protein. And she was already chubby when she got pregnant, so it wasn’t as if she needed to increase her own body fat level.

Another is faddishness in diet advice, a result of the fundamental difficulty in performing good studies. Wine in moderation  is good for you! Any alcohol is bad for you! Coffee is bad for you before it became good for you. At least tea seems always to have been good for you….except  if you consume it British-style, with milk.

Now I did run into one exception, but he had been found by what I called the sports mafia, a group of doctors and highly skilled trainers who worked mainly with pro athletes, Olympic contenders, and the few normal people who found them out for rehab. Remember that athletes as well as bodybuilders eat for their sport. There are real stakes here, hence some attentiveness to what works. Diet fetishists might remember The Zone fad, which was designed for distance performers like runners and long-ish to long distance swimmers (The Zone does work but you have to run your life around it and most give up). Similarly, pizza is a very suitable for soccer players right before competing, it turns out, due the timing of caloric uptake after eating.

The professor in question taught nutrition at Ohio State and also practiced medicine about half time, and ran diet experiments on cooperative patients. His patter included having a patient with total cholesterol of 400, but he was not worried about her because her HDL was 300.

When I was in his lecture (about 20 people, I was the only non-trainer), he called out, “Does anyone here have cookies?” One woman sheepishly put up her hand. She had a small pack of some sort of supposedly healthy cookies. He asked her to bring it to him.

He said, “I guarantee that the second or third ingredient will be hydrogenated fat.” It was number three.

He continued, “It’s a preservative. It keeps the cookies from going bad. That stuff is so removed from food that if you put a pound on your counter, in a year it will be unchanged. Even cockroaches won’t touch it. ”

Admittedly this is anecdata, but I have not seen anything written by purported nutrition experts to make me change my generally dim view.

By Nathaniel Johnson, Assistant Professor of Nutrition and Dietetics, University of North Dakota and Madeline Comeau, Medical Student, University of North Dakota. Originally published at The Conversation

On television shows like “Grey’s Anatomy,” “The Resident” and “Chicago Med,” physicians seem to always have the right answer.

But when it comes to nutrition and dietary advice, that may not be the case.

One of us is an assistant professor of nutrition and dietetics; the other is a medical student with a master’s degree in nutrition.

Both of us understand the powerful effects that food has on your health and longevity. A poor diet may lead to cardiovascular disease, diabetes, obesity and even psychological conditions like depression and anxiety. Diet-related diseases are the leading causes of death in the U.S., and a poor diet is responsible for more deaths than smoking.

These health problems are not only common and debilitating, but expensive. Treating high blood pressure, diabetes and high cholesterol costs about US$400 billion per year. Within 25 years, those costs are expected to triple, to $1.3 trillion.

These facts support the need for physicians to give accurate advice about diet to help prevent these diseases. But how much does a typical physician know about nutrition?

The deficiencies in nutrition education happen at all levels of medical training.

What Doctors Don’t Know

In a 2023 survey of more than 1,000 U.S. medical students, about 58% of respondents said they received no formal nutrition education while in medical school for four years. Those who did averaged about three hours of nutrition education per year.

That is woefully short of the goals set by the U.S. Committee on Nutrition in Medical Education back in 1985: that med students should receive a total of 25 hours of nutrition education while in school – a little more than six hours per year.

But a 2015 study showed only 29% of medical schools met this goal, and a 2023 study suggests the problem has become even worse – only 7.8% of med students reported 20 or more hours of nutrition education across all four years of med school. If this is representative of medical schools throughout the country, it has happened despite efforts to bolster nutrition education through numerous government initiatives.

Not surprisingly, the lack of education has had a direct impact on physicians’ nutrition knowledge. In a study of 257 first- and second-year osteopathic medical students taking a nutrition knowledge quiz, more than half flunked the test. Prior to the test, more than half the students – 55% – felt comfortable counseling patients on nutrition.

Unfortunately, this problem is not limited to U.S. medical schools. A 2018 global study concluded that no matter the country, nutrition education of med students is insufficient throughout the world.

Bringing Nutrition Education Back

Even though evidence suggests that nutrition education can be effective, there are many reasons why it’s lacking. Medical students and physicians are some of the busiest people in society. The amount of information taught in medical curricula is often described as overwhelming – like drinking out of a fire hose.

First- and second-year medical students focus on dense topics, including biochemistry, molecular biology and genetics, while they learn clinical skills such as interviewing patients and understanding heart and lung sounds. Third- and fourth-year students are practicing in clinics and hospitals as they learn from physicians and patients.

As a result, their schedules are already jammed. There is no room for nutrition. And once they are physicians, it gets no better. Providing preventive care including nutrition counseling to patients would take them more than seven hours per week – and that’s not counting the time they would have to spend on continuing education to keep up with new findings in nutrition science.

On top of that, the lack of nutrition education in medical schools has been attributed to a dearth of qualified instructors for nutrition courses, as most physicians do not understand nutrition well enough to teach it.

Ironically, many medical schools are part of universities that have nutrition departments with Ph.D.-trained professors; those academicians could fill this gap by teaching nutrition to medical students. But those classes are often taught by physicians who may not have adequate nutrition training – which means truly qualified instructors, within reach of most medical schools, are left out of the process.

This doctor said he learned virtually nothing about nutrition in medical school.

Finding the Right Advice

The best source of nutrition information, whether for medical students or the general public, is a registered dietitian, certified nutrition specialist or some other type of nutrition professional with multiple degrees and certification. They study for years and record many practice hours in order to give dietary advice.

Although anyone can make an appointment with a nutrition professional for dietary counseling, typically a referral from a health care provider like a physician is needed for the appointment to be covered by insurance. So seeing a physician or other primary care provider is often a step before meeting with a nutrition professional.

This extra step might be one reason why many people look elsewhere, such as on their phones, for nutrition advice. However, the worst place to look for accurate nutrition information is social media. There, about 94% of posts about nutrition and diet are of low value – either inaccurate or lacking adequate data to back up the claim.

Keep in mind that anyone can post nutrition advice on social media, regardless of their qualifications. Good dietary advice is individualized and takes into account one’s age, sex, goals, body weight, goals and personal preferences. This complexity is tough to capture in a brief social media post.

The good news is that nutrition education, when it occurs, is effective, and most medical students and physicians acknowledge the critical role nutrition plays in health. In fact, close to 90% of med students say nutrition education should be a mandatory part of medical school.

We hope that nutrition education, after being devalued or ignored for decades, will soon be an integral part of every medical school’s curriculum. But given its history and current status, this seems unlikely to happen anytime soon.

In the meantime, those who want to learn more about a healthy diet should meet with a nutrition professional, or at the very least read the 2020-2025 Dietary Guidelines for Americans or the World Health Organization’s healthy diet recommendations.

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